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Ep 78 Neurofeedback for ADHD with Mindy Haukedahl

You have the power to change your brain. In this episode, we sit with Mindy Haukedahl MA, LSC, EdS, LMFT, owner of Afton Therapy and a Neurofeedback practitioner in the Twin Cities.

Mindy shares with us what Neurofeedback is, how it can be facilitated from the comfort of your own home, and the specific outcomes she’s witnessed within her own family and throughout her career.

Additional Information on Neurofeedback:
Understanding Brainwaves
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What is Neurofeedback?
Neurofeedback is a non-invasive, drug free form of treatment that presents real-time feedback from brain activity to reinforce healthy brain function through operant conditioning.

Mindy Haukedahl

She received a Bachelor of Science degree from the University of Kentucky in Family Studies and Master of Arts degree in K-12 School Counseling from Xavier University in Cincinnati.

After moving back up to Minnesota in 2006, She got a job as a school counselor at an alternative high school for at-risk youth.

In 2014 she completed a Specialist degree in Educational Leadership at Minnesota State University. Mental health has always been her passion.

In 2016 she became the Director of Counseling for New Life Academy in Woodbury, MN. She loves spending time with students as they process through life’s stressors, but it had always been a dream of hers to have a private practice, so she went back to school and became a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist through Adler Graduate School of Psychology.

She is the owner of Afton Therapy in Oakdale, MN and specializes in Individual psychotherapy, diagnostic testing for ADHD, and remote neurofeedback.

She is fascinated with neuroanatomy and how human behavior is formed.

She is a certified Brain Health Professional through Amen Clinics and certified in Neurofeedback through the BCIA (Biofeedback Verification International Alliance).

 

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[00:02:12] Cynthia: I’m here with Mindy Haukedahl and I’m super excited to dive into our conversation. But first I want to share a bit about her cuz she has a whole slew of experiences and credentials. So Mindy received a Bachelor of Science degree from the University of Kentucky and Family Studies and her master of arts degree.

In a K through 12 school counseling program from Xavier University in Cincinnati, and after moving back to Minnesota in 2006, she got a job as a school counselor at an alternative high school for at risk youth. In 2014, she completed a specialist degree in un. And educational leadership at Minnesota State University.

Mental health has clearly always been a passion of hers. In 2016, she became the director of Counseling for New Life Academy in Woodbury, Minnesota, and she really just loves spending time with her students as they process through life stressors. , but it had always been a dream of hers to have a private practice.

So she went back to school, became a licensed marriage and family therapist through Adler Graduate School of Psychology, and she is now the proud owner of Afton Therapy in Oakdale, Minnesota. And she specializes in individual psychotherapy, diagnostic testing for adhd and. Neurofeedback. She is fascinated with neuroanatomy and how human behavior is formed.

She is also a certified brain health professional through Amen Clinics and certified in neurofeedback through B C I A or Biofeedback Verification International Alliance. So here we are with Mindy. Hi. 

[00:03:56] Mindy: Thank you for being with us.

Hi. Gosh, when you talk about how. Schooling I have gone through. It like blows my mind.

I think I might have an addiction to education and learning. . , 

[00:04:09] Cynthia: I hear you there. I think recently my husband was like, I think you’ve been a student most of the time I’ve known you. So this is like a new chapter where you’re actually not in school. . Right, 

[00:04:20] Mindy: right. 

[00:04:21] Cynthia: Mm-hmm. . Yep. . Yeah. Well, you know, Mindy, you have all this educational background, you have all these different roles, these hats that you wear.

Uh, just from your own words, can you share with listeners, uh, a little bit

more about what you do? 

[00:04:37] Mindy: Yeah, of course. Um, so you nailed it pretty well on the head with, um, my introduction. I am full time the director of counseling for New Life Academy, where. Work with students, grades six through 12. And then I am at my private practice after therapy one day a week, usually Monday, late afternoon evenings, and then on Sundays also.

So I saw a couple clients there today. Um, I just, you know, it’s crazy. I feel like I love being at the school, but I just want to reach so many more people and I wanna heal so many more in the surrounding areas. Um, No diss on school counselors, but I know that their hands are tied. And a lot of times at many schools, school counselors don’t even get to touch on mental health.

You know, they are so worried about schedules and, um, graduation requirements. And so I feel like, you know, I, I do that well at my school, but at the same time, mental health comes first. You can’t be successful academically if you don’t feel good mentally and emotionally. 

[00:05:43] Cynthia: Hmm. Yeah. And I, I hear you there with your hands being tied, being in a system like that.

Um, I actually worked at a school for a while and it was really frustrating for the counselors cuz they couldn’t do what they were actually trained to do. They were just filling out forms all the time, making sure that, you know, all the programs that they were mandated to do were getting through. And so it was just kind of getting stuck in all the duties that.

We’re expected of the role, but not really doing the counseling work that they hope to do with the students. Right. 

[00:06:14] Mindy: Yeah. I’m very lucky that I’m at a private Christian academy. I’ve been there, um, going on seven years and the first few years I think that the counselor prior to me was academic based. Um, and school just got to realize what my passion was and they actually hired, I have an academic dean who works closely with me and she.

She says she does everything except she passes all the criers on to me. Like I do all the mental health. She does all the scheduling, she does all the forms. She’s posting about all the scholarship. But I am 100% social emotional help during the day, which, you know, it’s, it’s my perfect world of a job. Um, but I don’t think that there’s any other school in the surrounding area.

That really focuses on mental health like my school does. 

[00:07:02] Cynthia: Yeah, that sounds like a dream. Holy moly, . Oh, that’s awesome. And yet, you know, you really want to be able to do something more expansive. Something outside of the school program, and I, I know this is a relatively new field, but neurofeedback, can you tell us in layman’s term and then scientific terms, right?

Like what is neurofeedback. 

[00:07:28] Mindy: Yeah, so neurofeedback is fascinating, so our brains run in different frequencies. So, um, such as when you are sleeping, your brain waves are in slow delta waves, and that keeps you in sleep so that your brain can rest and repair and refresh for the next day. If you are, um, concentrating, you’re in a beta state, your brain waves are at a medium speed.

Um, you’re focused, you’re thinking you’re doing what you gotta do. But then there’s people who, their brains run way too fast. It, it’s the people who look high strung, they’re overly anxious. They, they can’t contain, you know, a relationship. They just go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Um, and so what neurofeedback is, is it is actually a way to train your brain.

To run in an optimal frequency of low beta called SM smr, which is sensory motor cortex. It’s gonna be that middle part of your brain. It wants it to run in a speed where you feel that you can take on stress, you’re calm, but yet you can be focused. and so the brain is neuroplastic and can be changed. And that’s revolutionary to discover.

And so with neurofeedback, clients come in and I put a headset on ’em, and I do have to put a little bit of goop in their hair, only in five locations, which is great because in the past it used to be in 20 locations. Um, and I take simple recordings through an electrode. There’s no feeling to it. It just records for one minute.

When a client has their eyes open, One minute when they close their eyes, and then another minute when they’re doing a math problem. So they’re doing a cognitive task. And what that shows me, it reveals a whole map of the brain because your speed frequencies should change between when you’re thinking and you’re trying to call backwards by sevens.

Um, compared to when you close your eyes, when your eyes are open, you should, your brain should be running faster. You are concentrating, you are working, you are thinking and using your cognitive skills. But when you close your eyes, can you get to that meditative, that alpha state? Um, and so it’s just really fascinating because I’ve had so many clients who have come in, um, and they’re amygdala in the back of their brain is on fire, and it shows that they’re in constant fight or flight mode.

Which shows then in the brain map, maybe the front, um, left region of their brain might also be either insufficient of beta speeds, it might be running high beta. Sorry, I’m using these terms that you might not understand, but everything that the brain shows is accurate. And so, so many clients will come in and they under report, right?

They might say, Oh, I’m okay today. Yeah, I’m having a little bit of difficulty sleeping. Well, if I do a brain map or a Q EEG through neurofeedback, I can see that maybe they’re not sleeping at all and make their brain doesn’t know how to produce Delta states or how to even get to that naturally. So, um, neurofeedback.

I think it’s gonna change the world because once you can take control of your brain really by healing your brain, you can heal so many of your somatic and just all of your, you can heal your limbic system. Um, your emotional stability just so much can come from healing your brain. Mmm. 

[00:10:53] Cynthia: And uh, I love that too, that really real application when, you know, we ask people, Oh, how are you doing today?

Oh, I’m fine, Right? It’s like, how are you really doing? And maybe they’ll share, maybe they won’t. But something like a brain map, you know, just like the body doesn’t lie, Like the brain doesn’t lie. These scans don’t lie. And so you can actually. See what’s going on without that mind bias, right? So if we’ve got the brain, but then we got the mind within the brain who’s kind of putting up walls or trying to reidentify as this or that, and so to be able to just see the numbers and say, Here’s how we balance it out.

Right, right. Mm-hmm. . Beautiful. And, uh, you mentioned neuroplasticity and as a psychobiology major in college, this really speaks to my heart and my lingo, but, uh, for anyone who doesn’t know what that is, can you share a bit more on what that is and why it’s important to 

[00:11:52] Mindy: neurofeedback? Yeah, of course. So the brain, You know, it sits in your, it sits in your skull and it just does, it like does what it wants to do, kind of moves around.

In its blue is all of this, but it has neurotransmitters that are always firing off. It has terminals and routes in which it wants to fire off its signals. And so what’s cool about it is through operating conditioning. You know, the brain wants rewards all the time, and that’s just how the brain is wired.

It wants to like get these rewards and, and feel good. And so sometimes I think about it like if you were to go to your door neighbor’s house and you walked the same path every single day for 10 years, that path is naturally ingrained. You could walk it with your eyes closed. There’s not a twig or a branch that gets in your way if I say, I want you to go this other way, and it’s just full of lilac bushes.

Right. So you have to push your way through and tramp your way through, and it’s gonna take repetitiveness and again, and again and again. But eventually that path will be made. And so that’s kind of how neurofeedback works, where, you know, when I program, I see what’s going on through the brain map and we customize and program.

A protocol that would be best to get you into that calm focus, optimal brain frequency, speed. After you do it so many times, you know roughly about four months, your brain just naturally runs in that frequency. Your brain just knows. And I had a client yesterday ask me, am I supposed to try to like, will this game that I’m playing, like am I supposed to try to be controlling you with my mind?

But it’s remarkable because the brain does it all on its own. You don’t have to think about anything. You just have to sit for 18 minutes. That’s usually typically how much I program a neurofeedback session for. And you watch a video on YouTube or you play games and your brain does all the work. Mm, mm-hmm.

[00:13:51] Cynthia: Yeah. And this was such a hard concept for me to wrap my own head around. I remember in our first inter first conversation together. But, uh, the way I’ve explained it, cause now I’ve explained it to a couple of people who I’m like, Oh my gosh, this is such a cool concept. Uh, is that. You know, you’ve put the little electrodes on which records where you need the balance.

You create the agenda of, here’s how we’re gonna balance it. Here’s the protocol. And now you can watch, uh, a YouTube video. You can play a game. There’s a special device that links to those electrical nodes, and now if you’re not following the protocol and you lose your focus or you aren’t relaxing that part of your psyche, then the screen starts to dim down.

So then it reminds you, Oh, actually I have to do that exercise that Mindy told me about. Oh, I have to remember to breathe slowly. And then the screen comes back on bright and you’re like, All right, 

[00:14:47] Mindy: I’m on track, . And that’s that awkward conditioning your brain is seeking to be able to see that video. And the second it goes dark, it’s like, Woo, come on.

Get back into focus. And yeah, it is, It’s really cool how your brain can do. . 

[00:15:03] Cynthia: Mm-hmm. . And because of the format, because it’s watching a show, playing a game, it’s so kid friendly and I know that that’s just so important cuz it’s hard to get kids just sit still sometimes. And you know, sometimes screen time is, um, is such a treat for them.

So for their mental health to be a treat, I mean, how cool. 

[00:15:27] Mindy: Yes. Yes. I have a boy who, um, a. And he is eight years old and he, I met with him recently and it was a battle just to get the Q E E G because he struggles so much with adhd, the hyperactivity component. Um, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s on the autism spectrum as well, but we did the EEG reading and um, he came in and we did his first training together.

And you know, he did not wanna do it. He was, he was fighting at two at the nail. He’s like, No, I don’t want to. I don’t want to. He thought I was gonna put more gunk in his hair. And when I said, Hey, you wanna watch a Minecraft video on YouTube? Oh my gosh. He lit up and his mom says that it’s his favorite time of the day.

He lays in bed with her and she puts the headset on him, puts the lectured on, and he just watches and his brain is doing the work. And she already sent me emails from his teachers. Last week saying, I don’t know what you’ve done to him, but he is focused in class and he’s quiet and he’s not jumping out of his chair.

And I’m like, Gosh, it’s only been a week. But he also knows that if he does good at school, he gets that reward at night, which then that reward that he gets is really healing his 

[00:16:44] Cynthia: brain. Yeah, my goodness. And it’s such a great reminder too that nothing is ever inherently good or bad for you. Like we, we start to paint this picture of, oh, like screen time is bad.

Like that’s lazy parenting, whatever, like, and people try to avoid screen time for their kids, or it’s associated even with increasing ADHD symptoms. And yet if you use that tool that the kids are already drawn to, it’s already something that’s easy to apply and you pair it. With neurofeedback and the treatments that you have, it’s like, oh, like this is actually a great tool,

[00:17:22] Mindy: Right. And you know, we’re not doing it for hours. Um, usually teenagers and kids I do with their neurofeedback, they do, it’s called rounds. And so they do six rounds or six games, or six videos of three minutes each. So it’s not too much. Um, but you know, they get to pick whatever they want and, and they do love it.

And, . I mean, I have clients that then they want their mom to do it with ’em and they want their mom to start doing neural feedback cuz they think it’s so cool. And I think the best part is being able to implement the YouTube videos. Mm-hmm. , because some of the games, they’re great for the younger kids.

But when you start hitting maybe around eight and older, um, the games, they’re, they’re more kid friendly. Um, but yet I have, I have older clients. My parents actually did neurofeedback, , and they would go on YouTube and they would watch previous game shows of jeopardy. And so they would sit there. So not only are they doing neurofeedback, but they’re also like increasing their memory.

They’re using their permission, like they were all about it every day, asking to do neurofeedback because they got to watch Jeopardy. 

[00:18:33] Cynthia: Yeah, that’s such a great point too. It’s just something that’s for anyone at like any age really to be able to find the content that serves them and to really strengthen their brain and help themselves manage how their brain works on their own, which is super 

[00:18:52] Mindy: cool.

Yeah, and kinda what you said too about how it could be used for everybody. It’s not just for people who are struggling with mental. Um, there are so many athletes. Her cousins is a big proponent of neural feedback. Tony Robbins does neural feedback. Um, so many business professionals and athletes will use it to take their game or their business to the next level.

It’s almost like they have accomplished so much, but they just can’t get it any faster, any better. Um, and usually there is something going on in their brain. That is holding ’em back. And if they can get into that calm focused state, they’re improving their timing, they’re remembering things, they’re selling more things.

They, um, athletes are not having stage fright. They’re winning championships. It’s, it’s, it’s really blows my mind to tell you the truth. 

[00:19:44] Cynthia: Yeah, it’s the Drugless power drug. It’s just like amazing. It’s super exciting. And I know that because you have your therapy background, you get to bring that to the table as, as something to collaborate together.

So there’s the neurofeedback where you’re managing, um, you know, some of those balancing of the brain signals, the amygdala, the fear center, and also. , you also can add in that therapeutic aspect and do cognitive based therapy. So can you tell us more about what that looks like in session 

[00:20:17] Mindy: with you? Yeah. Um, for example, I had a student, well I say a student.

She’s not a student. She’s a client come in the other day. Um, she’s a senior at a different school. She has anxiety, she has a hard time focusing. Um, parents were referred to me. They came in. Right away. I, I suspected some ADHD and some anxiety, and we talked about some options and I said, you know, we could go through ADHD testing and here’s what that would look like.

We could just do psychotherapy, or I could do a brain map, which will show me adhd, but it will also show me, um, anxiety, depression, trauma, eating disorders. It’ll show me any of that. So if you do that, There’s no point to do ADHD testing. So we did the brain map and it flagged high anxiety. And so I have been now seeing this client for psychotherapy.

So she sees me about biweekly every other week. Um, she is doing her neurofeedback every other night at home, and when she does her neurofeedback, Mind lift actually dings me and I go online and I can watch her live session and watch her brainwave so I can tweak the threshold if it’s too easy for her.

Um, if she’s not responding well, I can kind of make some changes. But then in therapy we are talking about the anxiety, we are talking about the attention. So she’s doing her homework at home by doing the neural feedback. , but then deep in session with me, we’re talking about the automatic negative thoughts that are taking over her fear of going to college next year.

Um, her feelings of worthlessness and just the other day she told me, and she is not typical, like within two weeks, but she said, um, She went into class the other day and her teacher pulled her aside and said, You are my favorite student in this class. And she was like, What? What are you talking about?

It’s engineering. She’s not an academically driven student. She’s a, she’s a college bound athlete. She said that she’s able to retain and process everything this teacher is saying and she is just loving it and like wanting more. Where normally she hated school because she couldn’t process anything. She couldn’t get anything to retain in her brain.

So that then she would take tests or do papers or write projects, and she won’t remember anything that was taught in her lecture. And now she’s sitting in the front row and she’s just soaking it in. And then by doing that, it reduces her symptoms of anxiety because she doesn’t feel stupid. She feels like, Hey, I’m able to do what everybody else can do, or, Hey, I used to struggle, but I don’t need to struggle anymore.

[00:23:03] Cynthia: Mmm. Mm-hmm. , Ugh. It just shows how multifaceted our health and wellbeing is, how integrated everything is. You know, you work on the neural pathways, but then you also work on the psyche. And then there’s this ripple effect, you know, into academic success, how that affects how you show up in your world. And I also want to, because I just love the mind body connection, I want.

Also talk about that mind body connection and how neurofeedback also can influence that. 

[00:23:38] Mindy: Mm-hmm. . Well, a lot of times, um, you know, such as anxiety, your brain is running so fast. Well, if your brain is running that fast, you’re gonna be exhausted because you’re gonna have racing thoughts when you go to sleep at night, you could have severe digestion issues.

You know, you could get ibs, um, change in appetite. So much of your like psychosocial. Um, situations can occur. And so if you can just calm down the brain, right? Because when the brain’s running hot too, we think those negative thoughts. It’s that what if that fear based thinking like, what if somebody’s talking about me?

What if I fail at this? What if I do this? What if this happens? What if, what if, What if? And it like consumes you and then you ruminate about it. But yet if you can control the brain speed, it’s all about the speed because all that anxiety and all those racing thoughts are coming from high be. And if you can calm down that hi beta, you’re able to process those negative thoughts.

You’re able to like have, um, like a conversation with those thoughts. Is that true? Is that reality? Is that really gonna happen? Is that really what this person thinks about me? But once you can calm down the brain and you can rationalize, therefore, then once you rationalize the ibs, the stomach issues, all of that go away.

You have improved sleep. And the next day you’re ready to go. 

[00:25:03] Cynthia: Hmm. Yeah. It’s, it’s just so cool. And I had almost forgotten the importance of. Your mental state, right? And how neurofeedback, it’s not just about the brain, but then, oh, if your brain is working optimally, then that means your nervous system is soothed.

That means your digestive system can operate optimally. That means your, um, metabolisms on blast your, you know, sexual health and wellbeing too. So maybe. Um, having your cycle at the right time or everything is connected to the brain, and so it’s just so cool to see that you’ve also witnessed this in your patients and known that this is true.

Right? Right. Mm-hmm. . Awesome. And I know you also, so it’s not just that you work with patients. You already hinted that you, your parents wanted to be a part of this and do neuro feedback, but I know that you also did this for yourself and with your kids. Can you tell us a little bit about that family dynamic and how that changed with neurofeedback?

[00:26:09] Mindy: Yeah, of course. Um, before I do anything or make any recommendations to my patients or my students, I try things out. , You know, like for example, I tried to wait a blanket out first because I read these articles that would talk about, um, the increased oxytocin release in the brain. And I was like, Does that really happen?

It does, it really does. . So I got a blanket though, and so now I can recommend it. But so same with neurofeedback. So I was my first patient. Um, and so I did the Q E E G brain map on myself, and it was the, it was at that time when it was, um, summer and we’re all home and I have an eight year old and an 11 year old, and.

It can be a little bit overwhelming, to say the least. Um, and so I just felt like as a mom, I was really on edge. I was stressed out. I was trying to like make ends meet. I was working, I’m running here, running there. My kids are in competitive sports, and I just never felt at ease. You know, that’s a word that I’m really focusing on with my clients, is just being at ease.

Um, So I just felt like I was just high strung. So I didn’t, I, I did the Q EEG and sure enough, it did show I did not have enough alpha. What? Well, surprise, surprise cuz Alpha’s, what’s my calming, right? So I did some training, um, and now like it improved my sleep. I told a client the other day, I can’t remember the last time I felt my heart rate.

To like an anxious, you know, feelings of overwhelm. Um, I’m able to recognize, which is very bizarre, but it’s like I can feel my brain and I can feel if there’s gonna be a stressful situation, and I just know now to take a step back and really focus on my breathing. And I, and I picture my brain and I picture it just being green and blue and like in a calm state and I, I just don’t get worked up anymore.

It’s, it’s very bizarre. Um, my son, I, I had him do it. He is a black belt and he was going for district champion for Marshall Arts. And you know, daddy has adhd, so I check my children. Quite often. Um, and so I started neuro feedback on my son, and he loved it because he’d watch Minecraft videos and , he’d beg me every day to do it.

Um, he is now like, he’s a straight A student. He sleeps well, He’s responsible, improved memory. It just, and he’s just pleasant. You know? It’s, it, it, it, it improves our relationships. He’s sleeping well. It just makes you feel just. Good and not so overwhelmed because society just put, makes it so anxious all the time, and there’s so much to always get done.

It’s like your workload never stops. You gotta do this, you gotta be here, you gotta do all these things. But if you can just calm your brain and be present, it just, it feels so much better. 

[00:29:11] Cynthia: Yeah. Gosh. The word coming to mind for me is this is like a facilitate, a facilitated mindfulness practice, right?

Cause I, you know, I work with a lot of busy moms and when we talk about mindfulness, uh, and having a practice, right, like a meditation practice, let’s say, or taking a mindful moment, it’s really hard when your brain. Not in Alpha State already, right? Like it’s, you’re, you have to try to make your way there and it’s like trying to make your way there without a concrete roadmap.

Uh, maybe there’s some guidance, uh, verbally, but usually like if you’re just trying to be mindful day to day, there isn’t that verbal guidance. And so it’s hard to be mindful in the moment. And so I feel like this is such a cool. New tool that’s facilitating you by actually giving you some, some feedback, right?

So it’s neurofeedback. You’re getting actual external feedback about what’s happening in your brain. It’s now you’re creating that map for yourself and you can move forward with more confidence in your day to day life when you’re trying to be mindful and present. 

[00:30:19] Mindy: Right. And what’s great too about doing neurofeedback through my clinic is I do it all remotely.

And so many clinics make you come in and they, some of them even use the same headset and platform that I use, but they have clients do it in the clinic. Well, everybody’s so busy you don’t have time. So my patients, they come in, we do the Q EEG brain map together. They come in for their first training and then they do it all at home.

They do it in their pajamas. They find a time that works for them, a space in their home that works for them, and then they start setting up their routine, right? Because the brain likes routines and then they do it. And, and I’m logging on and I’m watching ’em live, and we check in weekly or every other week and I say, Hey, I’m noticing this.

How are you feeling? Um, do you feel improvements? Does something else come up? Um, and then usually about. AF like midway after about 200 minutes of neurofeedback or maybe like 20 sessions, they come in and I do another, I love data, so I do another EEG and I can compare the pre to the post. And when clients see their improvements, they are just blown away and then ready to just keep going.

[00:31:32] Cynthia: Mmm. Mm-hmm. . And I love how thoughtful that is in your business design that as a busy mom, right? You’re like, Okay, this has to be easier if people are gonna stick to it. And so you really have your patients in mind and recognize that this has to be as convenient as possible and as accessible as possible.

Right? So, um, I know you also mentioned that your price point is lower. Clinics. And so it’s cheaper, it’s more convenient. You do it from home whenever you want to. I mean, uh, And didn’t you mention you’re only one of two people who are certified to do this in the state? 

[00:32:12] Mindy: Well, that’s with, um, the tova. That’s with my test for adhd.

Mm-hmm. , there are, if you go on mine lift and you search providers, I think there’s only, I mean, there’s less than 10 in the state of Minnesota and I have called each one of them and asked about other price points. Um, and you know, my thing is, is. I’m not necessarily doing it to make a ton of money. I’m not doing it to get rich.

I’m doing it to transform the health of the world. Like that’s what my passion is and that’s what I feel like I’ve been created to do. So I’m not gonna charge somebody thousands and thousands of dollars when they’re not gonna do it. Like I would rather make it affordable so people will do it and people will be healthier and they will have better relationships and they’ll be better.

because they’re raising the next generation. And then those kids are gonna be seeing me at school. And you know, it’s just this whole cycle. But I just want, I just wanna heal people and have them just feel happy and live in their best life. 

[00:33:11] Cynthia: I also would like to point out, um, you know, you, that’s exactly what you’re doing, right?

That’s what you’ve been doing with your whole list of all the things that you have accomplished in your life, all the lives you have touched, and I just wanna recognize you for that. And. Send some gratitude your way for everything that you have done and will do. Right? Like you’re, I, the neurofeedback is relatively new in your career, and so I’m super excited to see how this expands, how it touches all these lives.

And like you said, you know, changes the world one person at a time, right? Yep. Mm. Beautiful. And if there was one message that you would like listeners to remember from this conversation, some kind of takeaway that they can have, what would you like that to be? 

[00:34:06] Mindy: Hmm. I would like people to realize that, you know, life is short and each day we can’t, can’t take it for granted, but how can we live each day?

To the fullest, but we can do so by taking our health in our own hands, right? Our brain controls everything. And if you can control your brain, if you can focus on your breathing, I feel like if you can, your soul, you know, can take over your whole body and just be healthy and be light and be love, and, and we can’t let all these little situations.

Affect who we truly are. Does that make sense? . Mm-hmm. , You know, sometimes I feel like we have these souls that reside in our bodies, this beautiful, beautiful bright soul, but our soul. But our bodies hurt and our bodies get sick, and our bodies, um, deal with situations and, and relationship problems. But the soul wants to shine and the soul wants to flourish, but we have to give it a body that it can do these things in, in order to give it that body.

You have to take care of your holistic health, your mental, your social, your spiritual, physical, all of it. Mm. And the brain is the, the gatekeeper of it all. I mean, really. 

[00:35:34] Cynthia: Yeah. Yeah. The brain is, you know, they call it like the, in the pituitary gland, like the seed of the soul . 

[00:35:41] Mindy: Yes. It’s so true. Mm-hmm. . 

[00:35:44] Cynthia: Yep.

[00:35:45] Mindy: And people don’t realize you can, you can heal your brain. Yeah. You know, like people think your brain, just, these thoughts come in and your mind takes over. But really you have that power you can take over. Mm. 

[00:36:00] Cynthia: Perfect message for all the people out there who say, This is just the way I am. False , 

[00:36:07] Mindy: right? Yes.

You don’t have to be that way. 

[00:36:10] Cynthia: Yes, it is possible to choose how you are and not just feel like this is how I am and I can’t change. Right, 

[00:36:18] Mindy: right. 

[00:36:20] Cynthia: Amazing. Uh, well thank you so much Mindy. 

[00:36:24] Mindy: thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure. 

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